I would hope so because it wasnt D&D, but AD&D. Add to that it wasnt representative of AD&D or D&D, only of Dark Sun.
why do people confuse a setting or group thereof as being the edition just because they were made for it? why did i never meet one of these retards before coming online? EVERYONE i know says what they mean, not being intentionally vague and obtuse.
it is one thing to say you play Call of Duty, it being on MANY platforms, you might need to narrow it down if you want to play with someone else because you cant play cross platform. but you can still discus it. however if anyone claimed they were playing Final Fantasy on their Xbox, they would blatantly be lying. Just as anyone that says they are playing D&D, when they are talking in any way about Dark Sun, Forgotten Realms, AD&D, GURPs, WoD, etc. you are not only lying to who you are talking to, but to yourself as well. and such pathological liars, are not people you would want to game with, let alone be friends with.
by using D&D to be all inclusive you are cauing the problem you with to prevent with 5e, and that is people calling Pathfinder games they play as "D&D". yes it was built of the OGL, but it isnt D&D, just like AD&D isnt D&D.
if you want people to believe what you say, they you need to speak clearly in whatever medium you choose to speak. such as when you were on Athas adventuring you said you played Dark Sun. that is clear and not vague and gives a lot more information than D&D.
for one it was AD&D not D&D, and people knew that right away. also they knew you didnt play with metal armor, weapons, or equipment, and MANY other things about the game you played. you sped the conversation along with a proper term to deliver understanding of what you are talking about.
again of course they werent D&D, they were AD&D products and settings, so they could NEVER be D&D, or represent it.I enjoyed those settings as games in themselves—games that just so happened to use the rules I knew so well. They weren’t D&D to me, but that was okay because they never spilled too far into the core
likewise it speaks to the problem of forcing eBerron in the core. glad someone understands this. leave setting things in their own settings where they belong and were made to work.
yes MC and MM merged many things into one big book, but at least MC you didnt have to buy the settings monsters if you didnt want them from that setting. MM is a great book, but having more useless monsters is not better than having to pay less for only what you need or fits.
why even add something from space for a game not by default set in space?Argos
CLIMATE/TERRAIN: Space/Any Earth-based body
Argos are found in the same regions of wildspace as the baleful beholder nations.
Copyright 1999 TSR Inc.
welcome to WotC, and also to HASBRO.[The Great Fence Builder Speaks]QUOTE removed by request[TGFBS]
and BTW, assassin and bard have no point in existing, nor does druid. they can be created as any of the base 3 classes. anyone could be an assassin. it is a profession, not a lifetime job of someone that would join an adventuring group.
at least one group of people understand...sadly the thief isnt needed either for the same reason.CTH wrote:In the AD&D® 2nd Edition Players' Handbook, the idea of an assassin, a hired killer, has been divorced from any particular character class. Indeed, a character can be any class and still be an assassin; this thief kit simply shows how a thief can be converted into an efficient, discreet killer.
Copyright 1999 TSR Inc.
sometimes you have to realize when things dont fit. there was no fighting monk in medieval Europe, this is an Asian trope, and as most (A)D&D worlds dont have an Asia, why would they have Asian themes?[The Great Fence Builder Speaks]QUOTE removed by request[TGFBS]
anyone in 4th could be a barbarian, when someone realizes what the word actually means and stupid people quit designing games where they think it has something to do with a job, rather than a lifestyle.
see wrong description to begin with, as MANY pieces of fantasy fiction have a barbarian that IS the same as the one of history. not just a name attached to mean "angry dumb brawler".CFH wrote:Barbarian
Description: This is not the barbarian of history, but the barbarian of fantasy fiction. He's a powerful warrior from a culture on the fringes of civilization. He's left his home to sell his skills and adventure in the civilized world
Copyright 1999 TSR Inc.
barbarian is a social class, like nomad, hermit, politician. it is something society calls someone different from them to be derogatory towards them. like me calling the designers that allowed ANY D&D RPG product exist that has by WotC, neanderthals.
goes back to BD&D when elf, dwarf, and halfling were classes, not races. barbarian is not limited to species, so doesnt work as a race, nor is it anything but a fighter that has a different lifestyle than that of a farmer. where is the Farmer class? Hunter/Gatherer class?
yes, yes it does offend, greatly![The Great Fence Builder Speaks]QUOTE removed by request[TGFBS]
planescape is being injected into core D&D. Monte Cook just left, allow planescape to do so also.
settings can have dragonborn, but NOT core, as core; since you want to capture the "feel" of ALL editions of D&D, is humancentric worlds. at least a half-orc has skin, not scales, and has no horns or tails.
very insulting Rob. i dont care if you consider yourself reasonable or not, but you iss the point when you set out to insult the consumer right away.[The Great Fence Builder Speaks]QUOTE removed by request[TGFBS]
the point isnt what a DM might want, the problem is clashing playstyles and the 3rd edition inclusive method where it bred even more rules-lawyers. those that think like 4th edition "core" definition. if it is in the PHB, the DM MUST allow it.
for those peopel they become disruption of people that dont want dragonborn or tieflings int heir game as player or DM. they bought the PHB, so YO as WotC, must force everyone to allow them to play one if they want.
that is the maturity level that WotC versions of D&D have set with their TONE.
are you going to include in every PHB at every chance a line that tells players one simple thing?
you will need to place that on pretty much every choice point, including EVERY spell, race, class, weapon, piece of equipment, etc.Some DMs may not allow this, so ask your DM before deciding to use it
the PHB must make it known that it is the DM that decides what they run, not the players. likewise not every player might want play with those things, so you will need something in that for other players to understand as well. so each of those items will take two notes.
or the beter option. throw the shit out of core, and put it in a setting or splat book of OPTIONAL material.
who give a shit about 4th edition players? didnt you just cancel their game in the shortest time in history save for OD&D the miniature game?[The Great Fence Builder Speaks]QUOTE removed by request[TGFBS]
psst, its ok to admit you fucked up, but when you do, stop fucking up and just throw out what didnt work, not try to add it.
but again you are talking about setting stuff, not things that should be in the core of D&D, so put them into their proper setting of other nonsense shit that doesnt belong in (A)D&D...eBerron.
nice try but this isnt MtG. if it EXISTS in the PHB, no amount of such sorting will work. the player bought the PHB, so have the right to use whats in it. that is how it worked for 20+ years. saying "no rares" isnt going to matter that much to anyone of the new-age gamers that were bred on whining to make a DM cave, just so the whiny brat player will shut up. then the game breaks down shortly into it and you have no game.[The Great Fence Builder Speaks]QUOTE removed by request[TGFBS]
this in no way empowers DMs, or fixes the problem.
if it aint broke, dont fix it:
1. PHB is core and expected allowed
2. ANYTHING else is subject to DM approval.
dont make 3 PHBs to fuck that up, make one and stick to it. put all those "rare" things in a splat book "Rare Races".
and what is this shit with gnomes being shit on again you stupid ugly pretentious troll cock-sucker?
i could understand "half"s being uncommon, though i would dispute half-elf for obvious reason, but a class that ha existed like gnome and "high"-elf?
the elven subraces could be left for later, but dont point to "high" as a term. what you are trying to say is eladrin. well throw those stupid fuckers in the trash and out the door quicker than Bill S was thrown out it.
really you need to have some balls and go say what D&D is, not try to include the things to pander to the editions YO created at WotC. most of that shit shouldnt have existed, and for those "old-school" players, they wont accept the largest portions of it, or they would have switched to 3rd, and possibly 4th. they didnt. find the reason they didnt.
my answers to those questions in red beneath them.There’s no poll attached to this post, but I’m eager to read what you think about this.
Would dragonborn and tieflings be welcome in your campaigns?
NO
Would it be D&D with them?
NO. it could be a setting though, one i wouldnt play in. but that is the only way i would accept it in (A)D&D as part of an offshoot world, not the general medieval fantasy
Without them?
it was D&D before they existed, so are you just trying to be a cock sucker, and asshole, or just stupid asking this?
Does this sort of thing keep you up at night?
no, article release schedules keep me up at night. the contents there in just mostly piss me off, and wonder why the fuck morons like those listed by Monte Cook in his blog "Praise and C...." have jobs and havent been replaced by mexicans like EVERY other profession has. then i realize, their jobs are jokes as they dont really have a profession so they are beneath those mexicans that havent been deported or are en masse moving back to mexico.
and once again, by making an amalgam edition that is inclusive of ALL editions at its core will NOT unify anyone as they were never unified to begin with, otherwise they would be on board with your current edition.
you have to understand WotC has caused the biggest problems in D&D with 3rd. they forever lost the "old-school" as long as WotC creations are a part of it. you will get no money form them, unless you reprint THEIR edition. that is the ONLY support they need. people to have access to their books like the reprint of 1st edition AD&D. then make material for EACH edition. settings exist, they dont need to be made. most material exists, just convert. design new adventures and then convert them to each edition.
of course you split the playerbase on editions, but it gives you a greater chance at getting consume for YOUR company, rather than going to your competitor. and currently you should consider that your department could easily be split this way quite efficiently. just time releases so that no edition is left out.
Jan-March releases are "Adventure X":
D&D
AD&D
3.x
4th
4E
5 releases over 3 months, that took a single designer to make the adventure, and a few people to convert to each edition.
sure you have more SKUs or UPC, but tough shit, you made editions that didnt need to exist to begin with. so deal with it, or end YOUR editions that didnt need to exist completely to reduce the workload and shelf space required for your products.
dont ask the customer to give concessions on their needs, when you offer NOTHING of use for them.
you want the customers money, you have to offer them something THEY want, not expect them to be loyal to someone that isnt loyal to them, or think they should blindly hand over money.
learn to make a quality product people want, rather than trying desperately to sell your newest gimmick by having Anthony Sullivan (or the late Billy Mays) pitch it.
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